diff --git a/src/wuttjamaican/app.py b/src/wuttjamaican/app.py
index 86a7b4c..f551be9 100644
--- a/src/wuttjamaican/app.py
+++ b/src/wuttjamaican/app.py
@@ -105,9 +105,6 @@ class AppHandler:
             self.providers = self.get_all_providers()
             return self.providers
 
-        # if 'providers' not in self.__dict__:
-        #     self.__dict__['providers'] = self.get_all_providers()
-
         for provider in self.providers.values():
             if hasattr(provider, name):
                 return getattr(provider, name)
@@ -121,10 +118,22 @@ class AppHandler:
         Note that you do not need to call this directly; instead just
         use :attr:`providers`.
 
+        The discovery logic is based on :term:`entry points<entry
+        point>` using the ``wutta.app.providers`` group.  For instance
+        here is a sample entry point used by WuttaWeb (in its
+        ``pyproject.toml``):
+
+        .. code-block:: toml
+
+           [project.entry-points."wutta.app.providers"]
+           wuttaweb = "wuttaweb.app:WebAppProvider"
+
         :returns: Dictionary keyed by entry point name; values are
-           :class:`AppProvider` *instances*.
+           :class:`AppProvider` instances.
         """
-        providers = load_entry_points(f'{self.appname}.providers')
+        # nb. must use 'wutta' and not self.appname prefix here, or
+        # else we can't find all providers with custom appname
+        providers = load_entry_points('wutta.app.providers')
         for key in list(providers):
             providers[key] = providers[key](self.config)
         return providers
@@ -278,8 +287,7 @@ class AppProvider:
     These can add arbitrary extra functionality to the main :term:`app
     handler`.  See also :doc:`/narr/providers/app`.
 
-    :param config: Config object for the app.  This should be an
-       instance of :class:`~wuttjamaican.conf.WuttaConfig`.
+    :param config: The app :term:`config object`.
 
     Instances have the following attributes:
 
@@ -301,7 +309,16 @@ class AppProvider:
             config = config.config
 
         self.config = config
-        self.app = config.get_app()
+        self.app = self.config.get_app()
+
+    @property
+    def appname(self):
+        """
+        The :term:`app name` for the current app.
+
+        See also :attr:`AppHandler.appname`.
+        """
+        return self.app.appname
 
 
 class GenericHandler:
@@ -318,3 +335,12 @@ class GenericHandler:
     def __init__(self, config, **kwargs):
         self.config = config
         self.app = self.config.get_app()
+
+    @property
+    def appname(self):
+        """
+        The :term:`app name` for the current app.
+
+        See also :attr:`AppHandler.appname`.
+        """
+        return self.app.appname
diff --git a/tests/test_app.py b/tests/test_app.py
index 30adf72..ea1d4e4 100644
--- a/tests/test_app.py
+++ b/tests/test_app.py
@@ -134,6 +134,7 @@ class TestAppProvider(TestCase):
         provider = app.AppProvider(self.config)
         self.assertIs(provider.config, self.config)
         self.assertIs(provider.app, self.app)
+        self.assertEqual(provider.appname, 'wuttatest')
 
         # but can pass app handler instead
         with warnings.catch_warnings():
@@ -155,7 +156,7 @@ class TestAppProvider(TestCase):
 
             # sanity check, we get *instances* back from this
             providers = self.app.get_all_providers()
-            load_entry_points.assert_called_once_with('wuttatest.providers')
+            load_entry_points.assert_called_once_with('wutta.app.providers')
             self.assertEqual(len(providers), 1)
             self.assertIn('fake', providers)
             self.assertIsInstance(providers['fake'], FakeProvider)
@@ -212,3 +213,4 @@ class TestGenericHandler(TestCase):
         handler = app.GenericHandler(self.config)
         self.assertIs(handler.config, self.config)
         self.assertIs(handler.app, self.app)
+        self.assertEqual(handler.appname, 'wuttatest')